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		<title>By: Mary Fletcher Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Fletcher Jones</dc:creator>
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		<description>Ageism can work both ways.  The expertise and contributions of people who are younger than 40 can also be discounted.  However, it is more commonly associated with people over 40 years old, so much so, that there was legislation passed against it.  Unfortunately, I have found that ageism is rampant, but particularly so in the fields of public relations, advertising, and social media, where I and my 40+ colleagues encounter it on a fairly regular basis.

Ageist remarks and policies can be difficult to detect, particularly if people are not sensitive to age as legitimate (and desirable) difference.

Here are some examples that come to mind, although there are many more...

	•	An HR recruiter is frustrated because digital and PR agencies reject her candidates for being &quot;too experienced&quot; or &quot;too senior&quot; for positions for which they are qualified.  (These terms are commonly used in age discrimination in hiring).
	•	In a PR volunteer organization meeting, a woman proposed inviting Diane Rehm as a guest speaker for a signature event.  The chairman of the event rejected the suggestion, joking that the noted media personality was too old.
	•	A successful advertising executive who had managed important national accounts is let go when he reached age 50. 
	•	A 20-something speaker on a social media panel made the analogy to an audience of primarily under 40 y.o. participants (but including several 40-60 year old participants) that companies that didn&#039;t use social media appropriately were like &quot;creepy old men&quot; who tried to fit in at a night club.
	•	The 20-something president of a social media organization refers to something she doesn&#039;t like as &quot;retarded,&quot; apparently oblivious that older women with families in her audience may have children, including children with cognitive disabilities.
	•	The younger, childless planners of PR and social media events routinely schedule professional development events at 8:00 a.m. in the morning, when professional women with school-age children are taking their children to school or bus stops, thereby effectively excluding professionals who happen to parents from participating.

I think it bears discussion: why would a professional make an ageist remark?  Why would a company institute an ageist policy?

There are many reasons.

	•	Ageism is still accepted as okay in our society.  People who would never dream of dropping a racist or sexist remark in networking situations, will freely (and unconsciously) make ageist remarks.
	•	PR, advertising, and digital are highly competitive fields. There are far more people who want jobs than positions are available.  In a competitive environment, it&#039;s common for people to disparage the attributes, experience or skills of others in order to appear more capable themselves, especially if they feel threatened by someone who appears more experienced.  You will see this type of behavior in business graduate programs,  for example, where minority students and female students are on the receiving end of subtle (or not so subtle) racist remarks or exclusion.  It&#039;s easy to detect when it&#039;s sexism or racism; less so when it&#039;s ageism.  It&#039;s just, unfortunately, how some people and groups operate under stressful conditions.
	•	Birds of a feather flock together.  It is natural to associate with people who are in the same life stage as yourself.  After age 40, these differences between generations are less acute, because people age 40 and up share common life experiences (marriage, bearing and raising children, the loss of a parent, owning a home, starting a business, etc.)  People who are over age 40 can relate to people in their 20s and 30s because they have experienced those life stage events themselves (college, first apartments, first jobs, etc.) but the reverse is not true.  Much is said about adapting to Millenials in the workplace, but you don&#039;t often hear about the need for Millenials to try and understand people older than themselves.
	•	For some younger people, I think older people represent something too close to their fears.  In our society, people commonly fear becoming old.  Also, people in their early to late twenties are often still at the point where they are separating -- emotionally and financially -- from their parents.  So they may feel uncomfortable interacting with a person that is an older generation in professional situations (such as a subordinate or peer), because of this internal struggle (whereas a person in their 40s does not typically have the equivalent reluctance to engage with someone who is twenty years older, for example.)
	•	Companies, unfortunately, have a lot to gain by practicing ageism.  Although older professionals bring much needed experience to a business or organization, they are more expensive for companies.  They tend to have families, so they use more costly benefits, and require reasonable amounts of leave, and can&#039;t travel as much or work extended hours, or socialize after work.  Their salaries are often higher.  Some companies will let go people to avoid paying their retirement benefits.  Younger people are less expensive to hire, are more willing to accept less than desirable work conditions and lower pay to obtain needed experience, and are easier to let go, and usually have fewer life circumstances that may interfere with work.  I think the worst example of this is how many nonprofit organizations and PR companies exploit young interns, often not paying them at all, or using them to replace jobs which should be filled by regular employees (both practices violate the Fair Labor Standards Act).
	•	There is also the popular conceptions that older people are less skilled in social media, IT and other desirable skills. I have read that ageism is particularly problematic in IT, with some companies refusing to hire anyone over age 35!  However, personally, I have not found it to be true that older people do not know how to use social media, or acquire new skills.  Some of the people I know who are the best expert users of social media are over age 50.  I have taught several Millenials how to use social media, myself.

How can ageism be overcome, particularly in these fields?  I think professionals, networking organizations, and companies should thoughtfully approach how they speak and present themselves, and examine their perceptions.  Just as we would be sensitive to create an environment that is inclusive of people of different backgrounds, genders, and orientation, we must also create that setting for people who are older than forty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ageism can work both ways.  The expertise and contributions of people who are younger than 40 can also be discounted.  However, it is more commonly associated with people over 40 years old, so much so, that there was legislation passed against it.  Unfortunately, I have found that ageism is rampant, but particularly so in the fields of public relations, advertising, and social media, where I and my 40+ colleagues encounter it on a fairly regular basis.</p>
<p>Ageist remarks and policies can be difficult to detect, particularly if people are not sensitive to age as legitimate (and desirable) difference.</p>
<p>Here are some examples that come to mind, although there are many more&#8230;</p>
<p>	•	An HR recruiter is frustrated because digital and PR agencies reject her candidates for being &#8220;too experienced&#8221; or &#8220;too senior&#8221; for positions for which they are qualified.  (These terms are commonly used in age discrimination in hiring).<br />
	•	In a PR volunteer organization meeting, a woman proposed inviting Diane Rehm as a guest speaker for a signature event.  The chairman of the event rejected the suggestion, joking that the noted media personality was too old.<br />
	•	A successful advertising executive who had managed important national accounts is let go when he reached age 50.<br />
	•	A 20-something speaker on a social media panel made the analogy to an audience of primarily under 40 y.o. participants (but including several 40-60 year old participants) that companies that didn&#8217;t use social media appropriately were like &#8220;creepy old men&#8221; who tried to fit in at a night club.<br />
	•	The 20-something president of a social media organization refers to something she doesn&#8217;t like as &#8220;retarded,&#8221; apparently oblivious that older women with families in her audience may have children, including children with cognitive disabilities.<br />
	•	The younger, childless planners of PR and social media events routinely schedule professional development events at 8:00 a.m. in the morning, when professional women with school-age children are taking their children to school or bus stops, thereby effectively excluding professionals who happen to parents from participating.</p>
<p>I think it bears discussion: why would a professional make an ageist remark?  Why would a company institute an ageist policy?</p>
<p>There are many reasons.</p>
<p>	•	Ageism is still accepted as okay in our society.  People who would never dream of dropping a racist or sexist remark in networking situations, will freely (and unconsciously) make ageist remarks.<br />
	•	PR, advertising, and digital are highly competitive fields. There are far more people who want jobs than positions are available.  In a competitive environment, it&#8217;s common for people to disparage the attributes, experience or skills of others in order to appear more capable themselves, especially if they feel threatened by someone who appears more experienced.  You will see this type of behavior in business graduate programs,  for example, where minority students and female students are on the receiving end of subtle (or not so subtle) racist remarks or exclusion.  It&#8217;s easy to detect when it&#8217;s sexism or racism; less so when it&#8217;s ageism.  It&#8217;s just, unfortunately, how some people and groups operate under stressful conditions.<br />
	•	Birds of a feather flock together.  It is natural to associate with people who are in the same life stage as yourself.  After age 40, these differences between generations are less acute, because people age 40 and up share common life experiences (marriage, bearing and raising children, the loss of a parent, owning a home, starting a business, etc.)  People who are over age 40 can relate to people in their 20s and 30s because they have experienced those life stage events themselves (college, first apartments, first jobs, etc.) but the reverse is not true.  Much is said about adapting to Millenials in the workplace, but you don&#8217;t often hear about the need for Millenials to try and understand people older than themselves.<br />
	•	For some younger people, I think older people represent something too close to their fears.  In our society, people commonly fear becoming old.  Also, people in their early to late twenties are often still at the point where they are separating &#8212; emotionally and financially &#8212; from their parents.  So they may feel uncomfortable interacting with a person that is an older generation in professional situations (such as a subordinate or peer), because of this internal struggle (whereas a person in their 40s does not typically have the equivalent reluctance to engage with someone who is twenty years older, for example.)<br />
	•	Companies, unfortunately, have a lot to gain by practicing ageism.  Although older professionals bring much needed experience to a business or organization, they are more expensive for companies.  They tend to have families, so they use more costly benefits, and require reasonable amounts of leave, and can&#8217;t travel as much or work extended hours, or socialize after work.  Their salaries are often higher.  Some companies will let go people to avoid paying their retirement benefits.  Younger people are less expensive to hire, are more willing to accept less than desirable work conditions and lower pay to obtain needed experience, and are easier to let go, and usually have fewer life circumstances that may interfere with work.  I think the worst example of this is how many nonprofit organizations and PR companies exploit young interns, often not paying them at all, or using them to replace jobs which should be filled by regular employees (both practices violate the Fair Labor Standards Act).<br />
	•	There is also the popular conceptions that older people are less skilled in social media, IT and other desirable skills. I have read that ageism is particularly problematic in IT, with some companies refusing to hire anyone over age 35!  However, personally, I have not found it to be true that older people do not know how to use social media, or acquire new skills.  Some of the people I know who are the best expert users of social media are over age 50.  I have taught several Millenials how to use social media, myself.</p>
<p>How can ageism be overcome, particularly in these fields?  I think professionals, networking organizations, and companies should thoughtfully approach how they speak and present themselves, and examine their perceptions.  Just as we would be sensitive to create an environment that is inclusive of people of different backgrounds, genders, and orientation, we must also create that setting for people who are older than forty.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It exists. After 15 months of unemployment, I was hired by a software company founded by 3 dot boom millionaires. They loved me over the phone (I have a young voice) and my in person with a manager (late 30s) went really well (I also can pass for early 40s). One week in, they were very pleased with my work and learning curve. I have the skills and a fast ability to learn. Second week, at customer site, I had supper one night with 3 guys (abt 25, 33 &amp; 38). I&#039;m 56.  The 38 year old, a Sales Exec, went to management and said I was the wrong face for the customer. They had had inappropriate BAs before, and he didn&#039;t think I could be trusted to not make an inappropriate remark. They told me they were very particular about their customer facing image. Lesson learned - skip dinner and don&#039;t try to make friends with younger colleagues - especially those who talk about all the money they make and their favorite cartoon show - The Family Guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It exists. After 15 months of unemployment, I was hired by a software company founded by 3 dot boom millionaires. They loved me over the phone (I have a young voice) and my in person with a manager (late 30s) went really well (I also can pass for early 40s). One week in, they were very pleased with my work and learning curve. I have the skills and a fast ability to learn. Second week, at customer site, I had supper one night with 3 guys (abt 25, 33 &amp; 38). I&#8217;m 56.  The 38 year old, a Sales Exec, went to management and said I was the wrong face for the customer. They had had inappropriate BAs before, and he didn&#8217;t think I could be trusted to not make an inappropriate remark. They told me they were very particular about their customer facing image. Lesson learned &#8211; skip dinner and don&#8217;t try to make friends with younger colleagues &#8211; especially those who talk about all the money they make and their favorite cartoon show &#8211; The Family Guy.</p>
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		<title>By: lnbee</title>
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		<dc:creator>lnbee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 09:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am 58 and recently began what is considered an &quot;entry level&quot; job in the mental health field.  I have had other careers and have chosen to begin this new endeavor out of a genuine interest in helping people.
Some of my much younger co-workers are friendly enough, but quite a few treat me like the invisible woman, or worse.  Some seem outright hostile and/or distainful.  It was disconcerting at first, but now I&#039;m taking it all in stride.
At my age, you begin to have a different perspective and can tolerate ignorant and insensitive behavior coming from young people.  I was one of them a long time ago, and someday, they&#039;ll be in my shoes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am 58 and recently began what is considered an &#8220;entry level&#8221; job in the mental health field.  I have had other careers and have chosen to begin this new endeavor out of a genuine interest in helping people.<br />
Some of my much younger co-workers are friendly enough, but quite a few treat me like the invisible woman, or worse.  Some seem outright hostile and/or distainful.  It was disconcerting at first, but now I&#8217;m taking it all in stride.<br />
At my age, you begin to have a different perspective and can tolerate ignorant and insensitive behavior coming from young people.  I was one of them a long time ago, and someday, they&#8217;ll be in my shoes.</p>
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		<title>By: Annonymus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annonymus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ageism is real. It is proven by the fair labor standards act, which says that it is supposedly unfair for children under 14 to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ageism is real. It is proven by the fair labor standards act, which says that it is supposedly unfair for children under 14 to work.</p>
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		<title>By: MAC</title>
		<link>http://thehiringsite.careerbuilder.com/2009/04/16/ageism-and-the-workplace-how-bad-is-it/comment-page-1/#comment-5919</link>
		<dc:creator>MAC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 02:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recently mandatoried retired from a law enforcement govt position.  This is not a good time for a dedicated, experienced person of my age to retire.  I am willing to work at entry level positions, and love to learn new skills and software programs.  I have a four yr degree, other certifications, and clearances, along with having a strong command of Spanish.  It shocks me that there is age discrimination!  My dedication and dependability are a good match for an employer looking for these qualities. I am looking forward to many more years of working, and hope the articles of ageism and discrimination are not true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently mandatoried retired from a law enforcement govt position.  This is not a good time for a dedicated, experienced person of my age to retire.  I am willing to work at entry level positions, and love to learn new skills and software programs.  I have a four yr degree, other certifications, and clearances, along with having a strong command of Spanish.  It shocks me that there is age discrimination!  My dedication and dependability are a good match for an employer looking for these qualities. I am looking forward to many more years of working, and hope the articles of ageism and discrimination are not true.</p>
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		<title>By: Mat von Kroeker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mat von Kroeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Depends on the company--- but I think you&#039;re blowing it out of proportion. The &quot;tech-savvy&quot; hotty monster you have described isn&#039;t as experienced as an older worker at all!!  ((...and the gen y, gen x labels are getting old.))  Older workers aren&#039;t as &quot;tech-retarded&quot; as you decribed either-- the computer and internet are tools that are easily learned.  Also-- if you think being &quot;tech-savvy&quot; is &quot;tweeting&quot; to your moronic friends about what you had for breakfast---  get a life!  If anything decribes where these &quot;tech-savvy&quot; dimwits are evolving, ie Twitter, than the older generation hasn&#039;t a damn thing to worry about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Depends on the company&#8212; but I think you&#8217;re blowing it out of proportion. The &#8220;tech-savvy&#8221; hotty monster you have described isn&#8217;t as experienced as an older worker at all!!  ((&#8230;and the gen y, gen x labels are getting old.))  Older workers aren&#8217;t as &#8220;tech-retarded&#8221; as you decribed either&#8211; the computer and internet are tools that are easily learned.  Also&#8211; if you think being &#8220;tech-savvy&#8221; is &#8220;tweeting&#8221; to your moronic friends about what you had for breakfast&#8212;  get a life!  If anything decribes where these &#8220;tech-savvy&#8221; dimwits are evolving, ie Twitter, than the older generation hasn&#8217;t a damn thing to worry about.</p>
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		<title>By: Marian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a staffing agency, we work with many different companies.  The amount of discrimination against older people varies a good deal from one client company to another.  I do not mean that anyone actually sites it as a reason for choosing.  My feeling is that older workers are more acceptable in lower level job than higher salary jobs. Sometimes it seems it may have to do with the age of a hiring manager.  

I would point out that most of our jobs require technical expertise and I see a lot of applicants in the older age groups with very up-to-date knowledge and experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a staffing agency, we work with many different companies.  The amount of discrimination against older people varies a good deal from one client company to another.  I do not mean that anyone actually sites it as a reason for choosing.  My feeling is that older workers are more acceptable in lower level job than higher salary jobs. Sometimes it seems it may have to do with the age of a hiring manager.  </p>
<p>I would point out that most of our jobs require technical expertise and I see a lot of applicants in the older age groups with very up-to-date knowledge and experience.</p>
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		<title>By: HRM Today - Blog Archive &#187; Ageism and the Workplace: How Bad Is it?</title>
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		<dc:creator>HRM Today - Blog Archive &#187; Ageism and the Workplace: How Bad Is it?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 22:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: PHYLLIS  BUCHMAN</title>
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		<dc:creator>PHYLLIS  BUCHMAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 00:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AGEISM CERTAINLY DOES EXIST.  INDUSTRY DOES NOT REALIZE THAT COMPETENCY DOES MATTER AS WELL AS DEPENDENCY.  NO SICK CHILDREN TO ATTEND TO OR SUMMER VACATIONS INTERFERENCE SHOULD MATTER MORE THAN PHYSICAL ATTRIBUTES.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AGEISM CERTAINLY DOES EXIST.  INDUSTRY DOES NOT REALIZE THAT COMPETENCY DOES MATTER AS WELL AS DEPENDENCY.  NO SICK CHILDREN TO ATTEND TO OR SUMMER VACATIONS INTERFERENCE SHOULD MATTER MORE THAN PHYSICAL ATTRIBUTES.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaila</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is some degree of ageism in the workplace and it is partly due to the cultural orientation of some the people who make hiring decisions. We live in a culture that sees more value in things that are new and visually appealing. People are judged based on when they completed their college education, how long they have been in the job market; and how physically attractive they are. A cute, recent grad trumps a seasoned professional. There was a time when wearing the right clothes and saying the right thing during an interview was important but not it’s how well will you fit into the company culture, when it leans toward younger people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is some degree of ageism in the workplace and it is partly due to the cultural orientation of some the people who make hiring decisions. We live in a culture that sees more value in things that are new and visually appealing. People are judged based on when they completed their college education, how long they have been in the job market; and how physically attractive they are. A cute, recent grad trumps a seasoned professional. There was a time when wearing the right clothes and saying the right thing during an interview was important but not it’s how well will you fit into the company culture, when it leans toward younger people.</p>
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